Stats!




 

Chris
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9/16/2009 9:11:43 PM

Hi Artists!

As you begin to sell/license more songs on Tune Society, you will inevitably want more statistics that we are currently showing in your artist panel.  Please share what kinds of stats you want to see so we can start generating or collecting them for you!

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Stephen Vidano
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9/17/2009 10:07:28 PM

Dude.  Your profile photo ROCKS!

:)  LOL!

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World Champ Recordings
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12/8/2009 9:20:06 PM

Of course, we'd all like to know what people are searching for. But, I understand how providers (TS) wouldn't want to skew submissions in one way or another.
But, a few ideas....


-Views (listens)
-Unique Views
-Views by region, if possible? 
-Ratings
-Feedback areas for searchers to submit thoughts directly to the artist... as in, "nice song but lyrics are too busy, do you have an instrumental?" (Bad example, maybe, but you get the idea.)

Also, not really a stat... but what about a way for someone to make an offer to one of the artists?  For example, a commercial client really wants to license a song, but wants to lock it up for a period. I realize that's not royalty-free, but could be a nice end result for some of the publishers. (While still keeping the rest of their library royalty-free.)   I know from working on both sides that I USUALLY don't care if a piece is exclusive, but there are rare times where you'd like it to be. (Again, for a commercial campaign, etc.) 

Those are a few ideas. My biggest hope is that as traffic increases, buyers can find a way to tell us sellers more directly what they like and don't like, outside of the obvious. (Purchasing.) 





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Chris
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12/9/2009 9:13:07 AM

Hi World Champ,

Great suggestions!

We'll definitely explore adding listens and unique page views.  We do already have public ratings and we have item discussions in the queue so hopefully that will get done after not too long.

Item discussions will probably show up on the song detail pages so that buyers and sellers can connect about a specific song.

I'll have to think through the views by region a bit.  We can do that, but it's all based on geo-location by IP and will require some data-warehousing.  All that to say, we'll have to weigh whether that feature will be worth adding in the near future or not.

But, yes, please keep your suggestions coming.  Tune Society is committed to listening to our users and making the site fit your needs.  

Thanks!  I'll let you know as we add some of the features you've requested.

Chris

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World Champ Recordings
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12/10/2009 3:42:48 PM

Sounds great.

Also just had a thought after selling another library track elsewhere... it would be fantastic to have a rough idea of what people wanted to use the track for. Nothing specific, of course... but I wonder if there's a way to include a quick, unimposing, one or two-question survey.  Maybe an optional, post-purchase survey. (To help us serve you better, etc... what best describes your intended use for this track... film, radio, TV, podcast, etc.) 

Not sure how it could be implemented, but I'm always curious when people purchase cuts, what the intent was. Knowing might help us all navigate future submission choices in the future. 



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Chris
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1/8/2010 1:08:31 AM

Hi World Champ Recordings,

Just coming out of my Christmas/New Year's daze and getting into some feedback here.  

We have added unique page song views as a stat in your song management screen now.  We are also getting very close to a new feature called Showcases where purchasers can post videos to showcase their work and show how they used a song.  That is in currently in limited testing/review and when we roll that out I'll let you know. 

We do plan on adding a song discussion thread to the Song Detail Page where users and artists can dialog about songs in whatever manner they choose.

Thanks again for your ideas and for being a member of Tune Society.  We hope you all had a great holiday season!

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Chris
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4/2/2010 7:41:46 AM

Hi Dmytro,

Currently, we do not collect information on how artists are searching or save their search criteria.  However, if you look at the most purchased songs and the current artists who have the most sales, you can see what their primary genres are on their artist page.

Maybe one thing we could do is put out some sort of end of the year or quarterly report to the artists about what kinds of songs are being sold currently.  Eventually, we'll have to get some sort of "genius" feature going!

Keep the ideas coming about how we can empower the artists to be found and tailor things towards the buyers.  We have contemplated changing some things on the home page and possibly adding one or two other pages to help with this, but we have not made solid plans yet to implement them. 

Thanks!

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Chris
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4/11/2010 7:55:48 AM

Hi World Champ and all,

I know this reply was long in coming, but we have finally "turned on" the Showcases feature.  We are hoping that users who license your music will take the time to Showcase their videos and also your music as it gets used.  We feel that the Showcase feature is a unique and valuable feature for both the musicians and the buyers to show their stuff!

So, you had asked about a way to have the buyers "report" on how they are using the music, and we hope this will be the 1st step in that direction.



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Donna Devine
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4/18/2010 7:08:49 AM

Chris, I note Article 4 (vi) in the Acceptance of Agreement states:

"Using any of the Products in a fashion that is considered by Tune Society as or under applicable law is considered pornographic, obscene, immoral, infringing, defamatory or libelous in nature, or that would be reasonably likely to bring any person or property reflected in such Products into disrepute;"

How would TS monitor this type of usage (if, for instance, the clients chose not to showcase how the song/music was being used)? And if it were seen to be taking place, what effective legal steps could be taken?

Just wondering. (-:

I like the above suggestion (with regard to stats) that it be indicated at the outset for what purpose a product is being purchased.

Donna
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Stephen Vidano
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4/18/2010 2:11:07 PM

Hello Donna,

This is a very good question and a tough one at the same time.

My answer is going to be a long one.  So, my apologies up front as I try to explain our thinking behind what we do on Tune Society.


The Bigger Picture:  "What Can Be Controlled & Not Controlled On The Internet?"

The first part of the answer has to do with the bigger picture of "what can be controlled and not controlled on the internet."  Most internet and web companies now understand that It's impossible to fully control and track "how things are used" on the internet, just like it's impossible to totally "control" music and other intellectual properties being sold on the internet.  (As you know, people have passed around CDs and DVDs for years, copying them from one computer to another and giving them to friends and family.)

We can create guidelines and policies for those using our service.  But we cannot control the intellectual products 100% of the time.

Do we still care?  Absolutely!  But we know that dealing with this "distribution avenue" (the web) puts us in a certain category for "losses" (and people taking advantage of our products).

iTunes is a prime example of this.  2 years ago they changed ALL of their music tracks from having "protection software" embedded into every song they sold to having NO protection software embedded in all their songs.  Why?  Because they realized very quickly that they were not able to "control and protect" all of their music on the web...AND, they realized that they were inhibiting the amount of songs being sold by having the protection software on the songs.

After years of selling music on iTunes to millions of people all over the world their experience told them that the people who wanted to "abuse" the system would do so (whether there was protection software on their tunes or not) and the people who wanted to abide by the rules and "play fair" (so to speak) would do so...AND would buy MORE music if iTunes removed their protection software from their products.

So, they took off the protection software and allowed all of their tunes to be freely transferred between people and computers all over the internet.

Even though they state that "sharing" songs between people (who haven't properly purchased them) is  illegal, they still removed the software.

Wow.  

This is how iTunes continues to grow and take the number one place for music sales on the world wide web...period.  And this is how Sony failed to do so.  Sony focused on "protecting" and "hedging" and not allowing anyone else to share the music that they purchased...and Sony lost in the web music business.

This means that consumers didn't like the service that Sony offered...and liked iTunes much better.  So, iTunes continued to grow and gain the market share all over the world.

What does more sales for iTunes equate to?  it equates to more profit for the artists...and "yes"...it equates to more profit to iTunes as well.


So...with this said...WE CARE about people abusing our rules on Tune Society.  We don't want that to happen.  We care and we will take action against people that abuse our system.  But we will not be able to "police" everyone who does this.  It's just impossible on the net.  We recognize this and move forward.


How do we take action?  And are people required to post their movies on our "showcases" page after using Tune Society music?

First, "buyers" and producers are NOT required to post their movies on the Showcases page after they use Tune Society music in their movies.  This page was created NOT to police users but to create a community where artists can see their work "in action" (so to speak) and start dialogues with producers, directors and editors about "how they use music", "what they are looking for"...and to give credit where credit is due.  

RARELY are artists recognized for their music in finished movies.  We created the "Showcases" page in an effort to change that.  We want artists to be recognized for their hard work.

How does Tune Society take action if we become aware of an abuse?  We first want to give people the benefit of the doubt.  So our first course of action is to contact the person or entity that "may" be abusing our rules and ask them to stop abusing our rules.  If they do not reply and do not change their actions then we take it to the next step.  We notify the artist, who's music is being abused, and report what is being done with their music.  

** Ultimately, because we are a "consignment based" company, the music is not legally ours at all.  The music and responsibility of "usage" is ultimately up to the artist who owns and licenses the music.

Tune Society can take legal action against anyone who is abusing our company and the Tune Society website.  But it's important to understand that legal action against people abusing artists' music is up to the artist and composer who owns the music.

Our last course of action is to send a "Notice of Cease & Desist" from our legal department to the person or entity that is abusing the music.  We will confer with the artist to discuss what is the best action for the artist to take against the abuser.  And then it is up to the artist (who owns the music) to ultimately decide how far to take the prosecution and legal action against the abuser.


This issue is very similar to another discussion that was posted on the Tune Society Forum the other day.  An artist was asking about "how to monitor producers who were using music, licensed from Tune Society, on nationally broadcast shows."  Everyone in the business knows that producers, production companies, TV stations and radio stations are required to "report" music cues to Public Rights Organizations (PROs) if they broadcast shows with music that is registered with a PRO under a certain artists' name.

Again, Tune Society can't enforce this.  BUT, we CAN create a clause in our contract that people sign when becoming a Tune Society user that states they will "abide" by these rules and submit music cue sheets to PROs when they are using music licensed from Tune Society in broadcast shows.


Donna, thanks for submitting your inquiries and for caring about the process.  We want all artists to know that their music is valuable and that we respect the product they have spent so many years developing.

I hope this has addressed some of your questions and concerns.  Let's keep dialoguing about this so that we can come to "better solutions" as we go down the road together.

Stephen Vidano

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